Cork under 20 Hurling

Tipp have so much time to pick the ball. Even when they are struggling to rise it. Cork are so far off the pace... its alarming

Cork don't seem to be aware of a certain thing called "the breaking ball". Nobody for Cork is even expecting a breaking ball. Its Tipp first to every ball that breaks and we are surprised by it

Being really shown up here. Tipp look so much better all over the pitch.

What kind of preparation did this management do for this game. Surely they saw the danger the Tipp forwards could create. Another hugely embarrassing night for Cork hurling.

At times it looked like Cork were trying to play an offside trap. Haunted at times tipp men free didn't get the ball and more goals.

James Dwyer with 4 points and playing no.5
Says an awful lot. Fair play to the Ballincollig man but you'd be expecting so much more from our forwards.

I wasn't counting but I thought Tipperary seemed to get more than double the amount of frees Cork got. And yet Cork's tackling was of the vanilla type.

Mattie Hislop wrote:Being really shown up here. Tipp look so much better all over the pitch.

Define "better". Not necessarily better hurlers. More physical hurlers. Yes. Quicker hurlers. Yes.

I think I need to give up watching Cork for a while

Whats happened this team?

The sooner this week finishes the better. I cant take any more defeats, especially the deflating ones that ruin your day.

We have a MAJOR problem with defending in Cork. Between the Seniors and the U20s this week alone in just 2 matches, we have conceded 6-46. Thats not a typo

Ben O'Connor and his management team were beaten all ends up by Brendan Cummins. Brendan Cummins! Beno and the boys need to take a hard look at what they are doing cause it aint working.

Our scoring forward got his first proper ball in hand in the 53rd minute! Barry Walsh was shouldered nearly into the stand. Full back lifted the ball right into the Tipperary fellas hand for goal number 1.
Our centre Back, who has been struggling since early April ffs and is an obviious weaklink, was taken off when we were 10 points down.
I counted (in a row) 7 handpasses and a scoop in one Cork movement up the field.

I could go on but im just sick of what i saw. Sick

I think we might have got away with the hand-passing, but we couldn't expect to get away with giving them so much time and space when they had possession themselves. We made Tipperary look a lot better than they are. Those are cardinal errors which even a blind man could see and yet, Cork team after Cork team seem to be unaware of what's needed.

T. Leaf wrote:

Mattie Hislop wrote:Being really shown up here. Tipp look so much better all over the pitch.

Define "better". Not necessarily better hurlers. More physical hurlers. Yes. Quicker hurlers. Yes.

Better decision making. Better at finding and using space. Better at not conceding scorable frees. Better at running down the heart of Cork defence. Better use if sideline balls. Better at winning their own long puckouts. Better at taking their scoring opportunities. If Cork were better at these things they wouldn't have got hockied.

Mattie Hislop wrote:

T. Leaf wrote:

Mattie Hislop wrote:Being really shown up here. Tipp look so much better all over the pitch.

Define "better". Not necessarily better hurlers. More physical hurlers. Yes. Quicker hurlers. Yes.

Better decision making. Better at finding and using space. Better at not conceding scorable frees. Better at running down the heart of Cork defence. Better use if sideline balls. Better at winning their own long puckouts. Better at taking their scoring opportunities. If Cork were better at these things they wouldn't have got hockied.

I thought our use of sideline balls was good in the circumstances. Short when there's a runner towards the taker and long when that choice wasn't there. The fault was not in the taker but in potential receivers not making the space.

I couldn't make out what half of the frees Tipp got were for. On the other hand, Cork were being pulled and dragged until they lost the ball without any benefit of a free. Perhaps it was the old red glasses, but I generally don't complain about the referees. Anyway the referee was not the reason they were lost. The reason they lost was because they let themselves be pushed around without pushing back and were far too slow to the breaking ball. Simple things.

Cork cannot win hurling games, simply because they cannot defend properly. Last night in Thurles it was open house for the Tipperary forwards. The dogs on the street knew that the Tipp full forward line were lethal if given room, but the Cork management ignored it. Last night every Cork back should have been touch tight, but they stood off who they were marking. Same as the seniors last Sunday, by doing this you concede huge scores. I feel the time has come that all units involved with the promotion of hurling in Cork must come together and have a serious discussion about Cork hurling and how we can overcome our present dilemma.

top of the right wrote: Cork cannot win hurling games, simply because they cannot defend properly.  Last night in Thurles it was open house for the Tipperary forwards. The dogs on the street knew that the Tipp full forward line were lethal if given room, but the Cork management ignored it. Last night every Cork back should have been touch tight, but they stood off who they were marking. Same as the seniors last Sunday, by doing this you concede huge scores. I feel the time has come that all units involved with the promotion of hurling in Cork must come together and have a serious discussion about Cork hurling and how we can overcome our present dilemma.

This is what im saying. We cant defend.

Specifically we cant tackle properly, we stick the hand out, opposition players run into it, put the head down and the ref blows for a free. Usually in an advantegous position near the goals. We are lazy and our technique is poor if non existant. Very few catching high ball over our heads, do clubs not coach this in Cork or wha?
Numerous occasions between last Sunday and last night of non existant tacking. Looks at Downeys (cant rem which one of em it was) attempt at David Fitzgerald last week for the 3rd goal, not to mind Luke Meade making DF look like Usain Bolt. He had a chance to fuck him into the corner flag but completely missed the tackle and nearly ended up there himself as the ball hit the net and buried us. Thats just one example.
We concede way too much

Clare hammered Waterford earlier 2-27 to 1-11
We wont be beating them

This was coming (the signs were there from the previous games) and got a right clipping from a very well drilled team in Tip last Friday evening (who probably will be now favourites for the AI).
It was obvious that our Centre Back's hurling was too slow and hence the cause of a poor first goal to set Tip on their way and no better county to do so - It took around 45 minutes to change the player from that position - What were management doing
Can we turn it around - Perhaps - But I cant see Ben changing his philosophy on the running game for the semi final - However, Ben has to realise also, that none of the players at his disposal are no where near the calibre and brilliance of Ben to execute his game. The management will have to re-look and be more direct with the ball as the full forward line were starved of the sliothar for most of the game.
Last Friday's game epitomises everything that's wrong with Cork Hurling presently - Tip stopped the Cork running game by consistently (cynically) fouling Cork players 90 to 100 yards out which slowed and frustrated our own game plan. And when you see a Tip player practically taking the head off one of our guys and not even getting a yellow from the ref, sure it was open season. We like f.ing egits then let them through like a dose of salts - Cork cuteness my hole!! - Nobody likes to hear it, but we have gone softer than putty and alarmingly so. By the way, if the ref didn't doing anything about that Tip player, we should have!!!
There (obviously) needs to be a conversation about the whole Cork Hurling set up - For example (and even if we do well with the Minors), how in the name of the Good Lord did the County Board appoint the present manager (whose already had so many goes and failures), when you're trying to develop a culture of good Coaching set ups - Where is Jamie Wall (for example) in all of this
That Holy Grail seems farther away I'm afraid!!!

Great Post JBM1, maybe if enough of us keep shouting somebody at the top table will listen. The Gaa in Cork is not in a good place presently and there needs to be a serious discussion about same.

Maybe they could get all the panel to write on their arms what the Cork Senior hurling team did back in the day under Donal O'Grady - Gach aon liatroid. They need some kind of reminder.

Clare beat Tipperary tonight by a point. So Cork play Clare away next Friday night in the Munster semi final
I cannot see us beating them. Clare have it over Cork at all levels now in hurling I'm afraid to say

I had a look at the table and it starkly shows our biggest problem - conceding obscene amounts of scores. Tipperary, Clare and Cork all finished on 6 points, but Tipperary are +26, Clare are +16 and Cork are +5.

Cork U20 football captain Hugh O’Connor will make his debut for the Rebels’ hurlers in Friday night’s oneills.com Munster U20HC semi-final against Clare tomorrow night at 6.45.....Didnt even know he played hurling

Also, they've changed the Centre Back position...at least thats something

Paudie O’Sullivan (Fr O’Neills);

Denis Cashman (Bride Rovers), Kevin Lyons (Ballygarvan), Darragh O’Sullivan (Ballinhassig, c);

James Dwyer (Ballincollig), Cillian Tobin (Bride Rovers), Ben Walsh (Killeagh);

Mikey Finn (Midleton), Tadhg O’Connell (Ballincollig);

Diarmuid Healy (Lisgoold), William Buckley (St Finbarr’s), Hugh O’Connor (Newmarket);

David Cremin (Midleton), Barry Walsh (Killeagh), Jack Leahy (Dungourney).

Subs:

Daniel O’Connell (Dromina), James O’Brien (Fermoy), Oran O’Regan (Erin’s Own), Timmy Wilk (Cobh), Peter O’Shea (Erin’s Own), Adam O’Sullivan (Ballinhassig), Ross O’Sullivan (Na Piarsaigh), Eoin O’Leary (Glen Rovers), Barry O’Flynn (Sarsfields).

Best of good luck to this team tonight in Ennis, let's hope they have mended their leaky defence from the Tipp game and be more direct which Clare do not like.

Cork 1-23, Clare 2-16

Missed the whole thing due to being out at the club. Getting my info from "over along". Seemed to be in control, then went to sleep for 10/15 minutes (show me a Cork team that doesnt) and then had to make a "comeback" towards the end. Showed great character and won in the fashion that we'd forgotten about in Cork - a dogfight.
Anyway, i had them written off so hats off to them for going up there and geting a result off a team and county flying it recently, seem to have gotten a bit of mojo back going into next weeks final.

We're back in it!!!

Anywhere i could watch the last 10 minutes of this? Not on youtube eventhough the game was live on it.
Heard the last 10 was mental

Deferred showing on tg4 now
Got cocky and it almost cost us. That clare full forward was a handful
Some great fight shown by our boys.