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Post by bittergaaman Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:15 pm

Jordan Flynn is destroying us

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Post by Sean Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:18 pm

This coach we have is some beauty, we can’t press a kickout and we can’t do anything ourselves except loopy high and left

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Post by bittergaaman Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:25 pm

Think our keeper is an easy scapegoat. 2 bad kickouts today but mayo also guilty of that too. Its called being human. Martin also made a cracking save in the first half but people don't speak of that...

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Post by bittergaaman Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:35 pm

Fucking YES BOY!!!!

And we should of beaten Kerry too

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Post by T. Leaf Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:40 pm

Fantastic!

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Post by T. Leaf Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:44 pm

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Post by Sean Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:46 pm

The most important and best win in 10 years at least, huge win, obvious areas to tighten up on which is kickouts but defensively we are very strong

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Post by Ranty Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:32 pm

Colm O Callaghan scored a point, won us the penalty and caught a good few of Martin's loopy ones.   MOTM performance but I'd give it to Sherlock .  Brilliant penalty shot, 45 and another free plus 3 from play when tightly marked.
How and why he didn't start instead of Hurley smacks of the old pals act but we won in spite of that.
Fahy got roasted by Flynn and should have been switched or replaced much earlier.   He's a good player though and Flynn is a tough nut to crack.
Hard to know if Deane's injury was a negative as the team seemed to improve after he was forced to leave.
Micheal A lost a few restarts but is the best we have and isn't the worst keeper left in the last twelve.
I just cannot figure out how Mayo beat Kerry but after today's results it seems this Cork team can compete with the big boys and win.     Some of the tackling and hand ins were top drawer and only 5 wides tells it's own tale.   Paddy Durcan had 4 wides on his own for Mayo.
Great day for Cork football and my buddy who holds a few medals was right when he said Mayo were beatable.
The three super analysts on GAA GO, Mark O Shé, Paddy Andrews and Michael Murphy all tipped Mayo to win handy because of their League status etc. etc.

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Post by fullcourtpress Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:55 pm

That was absolutely mighty. Thought we had to win by 4 and had fucked it when Chris Óg fisted over that last point rather than go for goal so was delighted to be informed after the final whistle that it had gone to points difference. Probably got a bit of luck between O'Shea not knowing the permutations when taking the last free, the penalty being a bit soft and Rory Maguire escaping with a yellow for the slap he gave, but fuck it Cork football has enough hard luck stories to be owed a few more strokes of luck.

Defensively brilliant with great discipline showed, can't remember many scorable frees at all being given to Mayo and rare for them to be turned over as often as they were today. Hard to believe Tommy Walsh is still an under 20 with the composure he shows. First half I felt Cork lacked shooters to capitalise on the turnovers that were being earned and should've been a couple points further ahead at half time.

Once Mayo pressed up on the kickouts in the second half and started winning them, I thought it was more of the same but fair play to Martin for getting away a couple of mid-range kickouts when Cork were on the ropes. Sherlock coming on was massive, and even if he's fit I don't think Hurley can start the next day. Unfortunately he looks totally out of sorts and we can't afford another day of only having 8 points scored by the 58th minute.

After criticising the men on the line for not using the bench enough all year, in fairness the subs made today made a huge impact. I thought Corbett played with a lot more fire and presence today (although he gave away one bad handpass that could've cost dearly), and John O'Rourke has made a huge contribution both today and in the Louth game. Good to see Mark Cronin getting on as well.

It might all be over by this time next week, but comebacks like that and chaos that comes with them make it all worth it. Today and the Mark Keane moment stand head and shoulders above any other moments for Cork footballers in the last decade. Let's hope the landing isn't so shuddering this time.

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Post by Jeremiah Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:23 pm

Very satisfying to watch, looked over at 1-11 to 0-8 but they stuck at it. Sherlock and O’Callaghan showed up well when need was greatest but overall great team performance. Hopefully can build on this.

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Post by bittergaaman Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:47 pm

Just putting this out into the Universe. Cork beat Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh is on the Sunday game

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Post by Jeremiah Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:05 pm

Any sign of Cathal o Mahony coming back?

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Post by Bigbird Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:18 pm

Jeremiah wrote:Any sign of Cathal o Mahony coming back?
No. Another 4 weeks

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Post by 2hands Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:27 pm

Brilliant day for Cork football. Not only to win, but to win in the way that they did. The mistake to turn over possession for the Mayo goal would have destroyed the morale of most teams, but the lads came back off the next attack and won the penalty. To be fair, if I was a Mayo supporter tonight I’d have a few things to say about the man in the middle, but we’ve been on the wrong end of that enough to be able to empathise without feeling in the least bit guilty.

The win was built on the defensive showing. So often in the past Cork players have been back in covering positions but not really tackling or pressing the ball. Today it all seemed to click. The quality of the pressing, the harrying, the tackling and the desire to win every loose ball was a joy to watch. Rory Maguire made more than a couple of serious interventions to deny Mayo and hopefully the lesson he’s learned today is that he’s more effective with the one handed effort when his eyes are open. Daniel was another who was wholehearted but who might want to think about whether he’s a bit too wholehearted at times - showing my age here but Roadrunner usually came a cropper when he legged it after the prey too fast.

Martin rightly gets a lot of criticism for his kick outs, but his save in the first half was huge as it stopped Mayo getting a real foothold at an important time. His positioning under balls dropped short was also really good today and he was very composed in a crowded goalmouth when he got possession. He was a big part of the win today.

I’d be in the same camp as Ranty about Colm O’Callaghan. A big performance. Maguire too gave it everything. And to be fair to management, they weren’t afraid to call ashore the bigger names when it was clear they were out on their feet. The willingness of Cork players to take a shot was great to see as well.

Sherlock will be in danger of being in the super sub category if he’s not careful. I could almost hear Sean cursing when Hurley missed that 45 to put us two ahead nearer the end of the first half. It wasn’t just that he missed it, he almost topped it! We’d be a more dangerous proposition if we could start with a few more shooters but maybe the reason we don’t is evident in some of the snippets of play in the last 15 or so minutes when the intensity of the tackling by some of the subs did not match what had come before. There was one sequence on about 60 minutes where the two Cork forwards furthest up the pitch were particularly half hearted in the attempted tackle and tracking back. Both were subs, from recollection. As for Hurley himself, while he has become less selfish than he used to be (and you need your main forwards to be a but selfish!), there are times when he could be better served just moving the ball immediately when he gets it. A couple of times today he could see the pass was on but tried to make space for himself and when he couldn’t the opportunity was closed off when he did pass. A few of our players could do well to watch Mayo and Kerry handpassing the ball over the bar sometimes as we left a few scores behind us by taking too much out of the ball and trying to get shots away today.

Still lots to work on, but that’s all nitpicking on a night like tonight, It would be great to put back to back big winning performances together. But there’s little doubt that this team has taken a big step forward this year. And given us something to smile about while they did so.

Thanks lads.

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Post by bittergaaman Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:42 am

Cork V Roscommon

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Post by caughtforpace Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:44 pm

Best performance since Killarney 2015. Loads of positives. Great sign when we had 5 or 6 contenders for motm. Don't buy into the heavy criticism of our kickout strategy. We  have 4 midfielders capable of winning possession and that creates the platform and space for our hard running style of attacking by forcing our opponents to match our overload on that flank. Losing possession,, while not ideal is manageable defensively and far preferably to being turned over inside our own half. It also lifts huge pressure off our relatively inexperienced backline and conserves their energy for joining attacks at a later stage. Mayo have a strong midfield and we still broke better than even. Kerry paid our kickout strategy the ultimate compliment by essentially conceding the short kickout rather than  go toe to toe around the middle.  Mattie Taylor was probably our only defensive nailed down starter at the beginning of the league. The backs that started yesterday are all now nailed down starters and that gives them huge confidence individually. I think that's why we saw such increased aggression  and that bit of nastiness in them. We learned from the Kerry game and didn't kick long to Hurley when we were breaking from midfield. When our attack stalled we twice engineered to get O Callaghan one on one with Ruane at the edge of the square in the first half. Neither came off but you could see the Mayo defense we constantly wary of it and were sitting slightly deeper than the normally would. That's why we were getting shots off in scoring range. Deane also engineered a similar scenario with Durcan but the ball wasn't played.
Bar the 45 Hurley did well. Worked tirelessly and selflessly knowing he wasn't going to get first time ball. Scored a vital second half point. Sherlock wouldn't have had the impact had Hurley not done the groundwork. Sherlock's role is now settled and crucial.
Clearys decision to bring back Deane and O'Driscoll has been vindicated.
Regardless of next weekend we have turned a corner and will be contenders within 3 years.
Great to see the crowd on the pitch and the players soaking it up after. They also got a great cheer when they got into Corbett Court. This might seem insignificant but it does matter.

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Post by Ranty Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:24 pm

Great post 'slowrunner'.

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Post by caughtforpace Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:07 am

Watched the game last night. Live I thought mc Sweeney was sluggish and coughed up a few balls but he actually had a good game overall. Shanley had a tough time on O Donohue but will be better for the experience. Fahy struggled on Flynn and could be under pressure as Kevin O Donovan was outstanding after coming in. Deane was a huge loss and Mayo got a grip around the middle following his departure.
I expect Roscommon to copy Kerry and concede the short kickout and make our backs constantly have to work the ball out. The question is, should hold our nerve and persist with going long?

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Post by Ranty Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:45 am

caughtforpace wrote:Watched the game last night. Live I thought mc Sweeney was sluggish and coughed up a few balls but he actually had a good game overall. Shanley had a tough time on O Donohue but will be better for the experience. Fahy struggled on Flynn and could be under pressure as Kevin O Donovan was outstanding after coming in. Deane was a huge loss and Mayo got a grip around the middle following his departure.
I expect Roscommon to copy Kerry and concede the short kickout and make our backs constantly have to work the ball out. The question is, should hold our nerve and persist with going long?

I also watched it again and it was ironic that Deane's departure was the start of our improvement.
Imagine how good we would be with both Deane and Sherlock on the field?
If we could get a point or two out of Deane and O Hanlon in the HF line it would make a huge difference.
Brian O Driscoll put in a massive shift and was here there and everywhere doing the simple things well and tackling like a beaver.
Fahy met a tartar in Flynn who is now Mayo's best player and a super athlete. Fahy has done enough in previous games to hold his place but I agree that Kevin O Donovan might cause a change in that position. He's a typical clever Nemo player with plenty skill and cop on.
If we can hold Roscommon to 1-11 like we did to Mayo, I'd expect a win.
Hope springs eternal.

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Post by caughtforpace Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:25 pm

Proc saying Deane is out. Massive loss if true.

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Post by Ranty Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 pm

Looks like Ruari Deane is out for Saturday. That's if we can believe a scribe over yonder in the cranky forum.
He did look pretty shook up walking off after a heavy challenge from Aidan O Shea.
We badly need his power running against Roscommon but it surely means Sherlock starts?

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Post by 2hands Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:29 am

It’s going to be a tough one on Saturday, with or without Deane. Roscommon are a very well organised and physically strong team who have plenty of players who can score the type of points Jordan Flynn got against us on Sunday. On their day they are a very impressive side. They are not afraid to shoot from distance and players like Cox, Lennon, Murtagh and even Daly from half back will need to be watched. Their half back line generally is pretty strong and they are good around the middle as well.

Last year in the league they gave us a bit of a beating in The Hyde, but it was our opening game and we had one of those days where we were occupying space in the defensive line rather than actually tackling and our shooting on the day was woeful. They’re a little less comfortable outside The Hyde but they won’t fear Cork. They also beat Mayo pretty comfortably earlier in the championship so they’ll fancy their chances and are probably happier to be playing us than some of the other teams in the prelim quarter finals.

So we have it all to do (again) but the same level of hunger, commitment, determination and patience we showed last Sunday will give us a great shot. If we drop off that level, then I don’t see us beating them to be honest.

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Post by caughtforpace Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:37 am

Ranty wrote:Looks like Ruari Deane is out for Saturday.   That's if we can believe a scribe over yonder in the cranky forum.
He did look pretty shook up walking off after a heavy challenge from Aidan O Shea.
We badly need his power running against Roscommon but it surely means Sherlock starts?
I'd prefer to hold Sherlock in reserve until the game opens up. We don't have an obvious replacement for Deane on the bench. His role is crucial to our game plan and our kickout. This would be a big gamble but could Rory Maguire fill Deane's role with Kevin O Donovan coming into our defense.

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Post by Sean Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:45 am

If hard work and being an option to win ball is the pre requisite then either Paul Walsh or Fiona herlihy would be as close as we have for Saturday, I presume it will be John o’rourke who gives his best but it’s a loss either way

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Post by Ranty Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:55 pm

Sean wrote:If hard work and being an option to win ball is the pre requisite then either Paul Walsh or Fiona herlihy would be as close as we have for Saturday, I presume it will be John o’rourke who gives his best but it’s a loss either way

At least we have a few options now Sean. Neither Walsh or Herlihy have been given game time so far
so that suggests John O Rourke is favourite.
I'd say Rory Maguire is needed at the back but he's capable of filling many roles. Gradually becoming the new Paddy Kelly.

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