Cork Senior Hurling 2024

Podsy wrote:

bittergaaman wrote:Why was Hoggies 2nd goal disallowed does anyone know. Hardly square ball was it?

For square ball, I thought.

Ref got that terribly wrong... didn't even consult his linesmen

bittergaaman wrote:

Podsy wrote:

bittergaaman wrote:Why was Hoggies 2nd goal disallowed does anyone know. Hardly square ball was it?

For square ball, I thought.

Ref got that terribly wrong... didn't even consult his linesmen

No, he didn't, you're right. Very odd.

bittergaaman wrote:Why was Hoggies 2nd goal disallowed does anyone know. Hardly square ball was it?

Cause Cork were battering them and he started to give the sympathy frees at this point. Kingston got caught soon after for so called steps which wasnt

Copied this from PROC. A good a summary of the possible scenarios next weekend.

If Limerick win, Cork are locked into 3rd behind Limerick and Clare, regardless of Clare result. Even if Clare lose they have the head to head tiebreaker on Cork. Waterford lose out on match points.
Limerick v Clare final, Cork qualify.

If Waterford win and Clare win or draw then Cork are 3rd over Limerick on head to head.
Waterford v Clare final. Cork qualify.

If Waterford win and Clare lose then it is a 3 way tie between Cork, Clare and Limerick for 2nd. Cork overwhelming likely to finish 2nd and Limerick 3rd based on pd and scoring tiebreakers.
Clare most likely eliminated on points difference unless Waterford beat limerick by at least 17 points more than Clare lose by:
if its 17 it goes to scoring tiebreakers which are close between Clare and Limerick
If its 18 or more Clare win on PD.

An even less likely scenario, if Limerick lose by a single point they need to score 3-39 in order to match corks scoring tiebreakers. 2 point or greater loss means they lose PD tiebreaker to Cork.

Very Likely Waterford v Cork final, Limerick qualify
Unlikely Waterford v Cork final, Clare qualify
Very unlikely Waterford v Limerick final, Cork qualify

If Limerick and Waterford draw and Clare Win or Draw, Cork are out, losing the 3rd place tiebreaker with Waterford on head to head.
Limerick v Clare final, Waterford qualify.

If Limerick and Waterford draw and Clare lose, Cork finish 2nd, winning the points difference tiebreaker (despite losing head to head to both teams they are tied with).
Clare lose out to Waterford on PD.
Limerick v Cork final, Waterford qualify.

Only the GAA could come up with something so ludicrously over complex.
Here's an idea... Have the provisionals as stand alone competitions. Have the AI as groups like the champions league.
Winning a munster title independently of an AI would actually make the munster championship more meaningful. It would no longer be tainted by going on to lose an AI. It would be a stand alone achievement which any county would crave

Fantastic win- great day. Could have been in traffic for 5 hours and still get home in good form. We have a great team to follow now.

The plusses(and there are loads more):-
-we're young
-we have a goal threat
-great bunch, they seem to be genuinely sound lads, taking pictures with kids etc..
-we were the ones turning over them for a goal from a short puckout
-the puckouts were very good, a couple went astray, but numerous long pucks found grass and hopped into a cork players hand
-our bench

The negatives(very few if any):-
-lets not get carried away, tipp were poor- not really a negative but, if we get through, the nature of the win brings the weight of expectation going forward
-our forwards applied loads of pressure on tipp backs yesterday- no token tackling. But I still think there is room to improve our defending from the front. dont want to be picking out any player and Shane Kingston has been outstanding off the bench- but imo he would be undroppable if he worked harder when we don't have the ball, he was on his own once or twice yesterday when his man was getting on ball.


The buzz is great; will be devastating if we dont get through but the future is looking bright. AFAIK only a limerick waterford draw can put us out.

3 things/changes stand out for me

The switch of Rob Downey to centre back has been huge. Nothing whatsoever against Ciarán Joyce but RD seems to have more presence, seems to hold it a bit more whereas CJ would go on a solo up the field etc. Downey also has excellent stick work for such a big man and can hit off both sides.

The readdition of Alan Connolly up front has revitalised the forwards. I cannot recall him getting the ball and we not getting a score off it. It's say he's made of pure muscle, he's come back in better shape than in 2022. Nobody can stop him, fellas are just bouncing off him. And he has a great hand when the ball is loose anywhere in around the house. Incrediblly hard to stop. No to mind that he thinks goal from the second he gets it in his hand.

Puckouts. And credit here must go to Collins. The forwards seem to be moving more to give him an option. No dodgy ones yesterday. He has a huge puck when he drives it.
We won 27 of 34 of our puckouts yesterday.
That's unheard of in the modern game

Maybe the Gods are lining up with us after all - Tip get a point off Waterford at the death, while Clare get a 65 for the last puck of the game to win. How the umpire saw it, is a mystery in itself, but it actually was a 65, so we were that close to being knocked twice in 8 days!!!!
Perhaps our luck has turned - Jesus, we deserve some break after the heart break we've endured for the past 19 Years
Tip were shocking, but Cork did what they had to do - 18 points though is some hammering.
Cork have now scored in the last three games 3-26, 3-28 & 4-30 - Off the wall stuff really.
Lets hope for a Waterford or Limerick win on Sunday, as long as it isn't a f..ing draw!!!

Corcaigh Abu

Tipp Ex wrote:3 things/changes stand out for me

The switch of Rob Downey to centre back has been huge. Nothing whatsoever against Ciarán Joyce but RD seems to have more presence, seems to hold it a bit more whereas CJ would go on a solo up the field etc. Downey also has excellent stick work for such a big man and can hit off both sides.

The readdition of Alan Connolly up front has revitalised the forwards. I cannot recall him getting the ball and we not getting a score off it. It's say he's made of pure muscle, he's come back in better shape than in 2022. Nobody can stop him, fellas are just bouncing off him. And he has a great hand when the ball is loose anywhere in around the house. Incrediblly hard to stop. No to mind that he thinks goal from the second he gets it in his hand.

Puckouts. And credit here must go to Collins. The forwards seem to be moving more to give him an option. No dodgy ones yesterday. He has a huge puck when he drives it.
We won 27 of 34 of our puckouts yesterday.
That's unheard of in the modern game

100% on Downey at CB. Watched him carefully on their puckouts on Sunday and Tipp did everything possible to drag him away from the centre during the 1st half by creating loads of space on Mark Coleman's wing. He got too far away from TOM once or twice and Tipp made Hay. It's going to be really difficult to slot Joyce back in at the moment but I'm certain he'll be required through injury or form between now and the end of our season.
The confidence gained from the Limerick performance has been a gamechanger for Rob Downey, Shane Barrett, Kingston and Brian Hayes.

Joyce instead of Tim O M?

bittergaaman wrote:Joyce instead of Tim O M?

Nah. It would send the wrong signal as this team has given us 2 massive victories. It's hard to describe what TOM brings but he definitely brings something different. Was speaking to someone who was at the Waterford game and they said he was all game out on the line roaring encouragement. You always need a bit of a headbanger who'll absolutely die for the cause and I'd say he's ours.

If we're to play next in a prelim QF, I'd rest Darragh Fitz and put Joyce midfield with Twomey.
He'd be some sub to be able to bring on in a QF, SF or Final as someone between 5 and 9 is going to either get injured or have an off day.

Excellent post from Morello on PROC

His comparison of Rob Downey to KKs Brian Hogan is perfect

" I'm still watching TOM even over the last 2 weeks and thinking he belongs in a different part of the pitch - he's a pure baller, he wants to be playing the harlem globetrotter stuff all the time. I can't find the clip from Sunday online but there's a passage of play where there's a ball delivered to Tim from the full back line and he immediately gives a wristy bullet of a pass to Downey who does the same down to the right hand corner to Hayes maybe. If it had ended in a score the clip would be everywhere, but TOM's hurling ability is phenomenal - he's so instinctive... and at times that can be a problem at 5. He got very lucky in the first half that the flicks that went wrong didn't cause more damage. He played with discipline in fairness against Limerick but couldn't cope with Duggan against Clare.

Ethan Twomey is having his breakthrough season in what is going to be a stellar Cork career I have no doubt but there are understandable signs of rawness in each game, where he looks a little lost and drives a ball to nobody or doesn't see a tackle coming. Twomey has great footwork in tight situations and he is getting through some amount of work in the last 2 weeks but if you're looking at 5 or 8 for Joyce, it's probably 8 for me. The 2 Downeys at 3 and 6 is definitely something to be left alone. Rob reminds me of Brian Hogan at 6 for KK, with more eye-catching players at either side of him. On the pace point - ironically, his lack of it means he's not darting everywhere, he's holding the centre and crucially Coleman and TOM have buckets of pace to cover across and clog up the centre, which Coleman did on numerous occasions on Sunday.

For all the talk of Connolly & Barrett and co, the player to have the greatest impact on the turnaround is Patrick Collins. The puc-outs stats on Sunday were outrageous - 27 out of 34 and plenty of those long. 79% which was even better than his Limerick stat of 74%. Tipps was 57%; Limericks 58%. Thomas Walsh played his part (as did Stack) in letting all the quick ones go - there were quite a few borderline before the second whistle (expect our next opponents, if we get some luck to get an opponent, to call that out pre-match). Anyway, I don't think Collins falls into the issue bracket anymore... and there's no viable alternative so not much of a debate to had.

There are 2 final issues however - SOD is consistently having 'moments' - no different to any other season in the last 4 or 5 years. He's a great leader and ferocious competitor but we have to remove him from receiving short ones at the very least. It was good to see Coleman in the left corner back position receiving a couple on Sunday so hopefully that's a conscious development from the coaches. Lastly, substitution strategy - Meade was outstanding on Sunday, fair play to him. Hopefully it was horses for courses as against Clare it wasn't the right call, and it wouldn't be against the likes of KK or Limerick either. Lehane struggled a bit. I'll link this to a positive team point: his game is about jinking into pockets of space (often sideways or backwards) & getting shots away... contrast to Connolly, Hayes and particularly Barrett - their focus is beating the man by heading aggressively goal-ward and creating 2v1s and giving the ball to the player in the most dangerous position. I thought there was a bit of a culture clash watching Lehane in that cameo on Sunday. In fairness to Canning, his comment was spot-on also - the biggest change in Cork's attack since Pat took over last year is the team-work... work the ball to the player in the best position and go for the goal when it's on.

TOM & Coleman have a bit of that previous system hangover at the back also when over-playing it at times (TOM v Tipp & Coleman v Limerick).

These are a few of things that can catch us but they're mostly addressable and the coaching team deserve huge credit for fixing things over the last few weeks and creating the foundations for the lads to cut lose in the style that they have done over the last couple of weeks. There's a real clarity to how we play now, which was something we were all struggling to see for a long time, everyone was so decisive on Sunday... Coleman summed this up with the speed he was playing at, no turning back, driving forward, moving the ball quickly & mixing it up between short and long".

60 minutes he spent doing this

It's that Horgan? And where is that?

Open training session held this evening at Inniscarra

What are the chances of a draw today in Limerick?? Surely not...!!!

caughtforpace wrote:

Tipp Ex wrote:3 things/changes stand out for me

The switch of Rob Downey to centre back has been huge. Nothing whatsoever against Ciarán Joyce but RD seems to have more presence, seems to hold it a bit more whereas CJ would go on a solo up the field etc. Downey also has excellent stick work for such a big man and can hit off both sides.

The readdition of Alan Connolly up front has revitalised the forwards. I cannot recall him getting the ball and we not getting a score off it. It's say he's made of pure muscle, he's come back in better shape than in 2022. Nobody can stop him, fellas are just bouncing off him. And he has a great hand when the ball is loose anywhere in around the house. Incrediblly hard to stop. No to mind that he thinks goal from the second he gets it in his hand.

Puckouts. And credit here must go to Collins. The forwards seem to be moving more to give him an option. No dodgy ones yesterday. He has a huge puck when he drives it.
We won 27 of 34 of our puckouts yesterday.
That's unheard of in the modern game

100% on Downey at CB. Watched him carefully on their puckouts on Sunday and Tipp did everything possible to drag him away from the centre during the 1st half by creating loads of space on Mark Coleman's wing. He got too far away from TOM once or twice and Tipp made Hay. It's going to be really difficult to slot Joyce back in at the moment but I'm certain he'll be required through injury or form between now and the end of our season.
The confidence gained from the Limerick performance has been a gamechanger for Rob Downey, Shane Barrett, Kingston and Brian Hayes.

I00% for me too.

Downey plays like an old fashioned centre back...he holds the position, marks his territory, is tough as fuck and doesn't try over complicate it. I love to see that. The fact that he's capable of slotting a few long rangers is just an added bonus..but most modern day hurlers are capable of that these days, its not a differentiator.

Joyce will have to work his way back into the team and that will be interesting to see. Is there a place for him at wing back, or could he play midfield? Right now..assuming the wheel of fortune doesn't go against us in Limerick today...you can't go changing a winning & brimming with confidence team too much just to accommodate players. Tommy O'Connell could also feel hard done by but thems the breaks.

Anyway, a good problem to have and all of them will be needed at different stages.

Galway out. Shefflin going well

Dublin v Kilkenny Leinster Final.

Fingers crossed for this one

So far so good for cork anyway, Waterford are lucky to be only 6 behind at the break

Fuck me thus could very easily be a draw

Limerick are such an unlikable bunch

Upwards and onwards now Cork, you just never know after the unfortunate defeat to James Owens and Clare, we are there now with a huge chance. Up the Rebels.

bittergaaman wrote:Fuck me thus could very easily be a draw

Never at any stage did it look like that to me. Once Limerick upped the tempo Waterford couldn't live with them...playing de Burca in no man's land didn't help their cause either. To be honest, even though they beat us and played the whole group stage with a bit more intensity and fight, Waterford are limited enough. Cork created our own problems by not showing up at Walsh Park and then going down to 14.

The 3 best teams in Munster have come out of Munster. Let Clare & Limk flake the shite of each other in the final. After that it gets serious. We're right in it now if we mind our own house. Game on.

bittergaaman wrote:Limerick are such an unlikable bunch

I still think they are beatable this year...be it ourselves, Clare or Kilkenny. I'd love if it was Cork who finally take them down.

OK, so we're over that one.

Sinbin - I think it's a Munster team. It obviously depends on the Leinster and Munster finals. I'd fancy us all day long against any Leinster team