Cork Senior Hurling 2024

bittergaaman wrote:our defenders were giving Clares forwards way too much space. We could of done with some cynical defenders today. We were not touch tight

Our defenders have been giving every forward too much space all year.

In Johnny Murphy’s case, he had made a couple of bad calls against Cork in the second half of normal time. But then in the dying seconds of extra-time, Conor Leen pulled the jersey of Robbie O’Flynn as the Cork forward attempted to score a point and bring the final to a replay. It went unspotted.

That's not me writing the above. Former Ref Gavin in the Examiner under a picture of Clare's Leen pulling the jersey off O Flynn as he tries to score the levelling point in the last puck of the game. Sam Barnes of Sportsfile is the photographer and it must be a candidate for picture of the decade.
Meanwhile Hoggie and Seamie must go through life without an A Irl. medal while Johnny Murphy from Limerick can tell his grandchildren that he was in charge of the 2024 All Ireland hurling final. Somebody should send him that picture just to remind him how Clare won the cup. Gavin says he didn't see it. I dunno.

T. Leaf wrote:

Tipp Ex wrote:

T. Leaf wrote:Johnny Murphy also head-butted Ethan Twomey. Should have given himself a red card.

Ah Jesus. Let's not slip into the Proc style bullshit levels of delerium.

Clare were the better team. We played without Darragh driving forward, Barrett taken off, Dalton, Connolly, Hoggie nothing from play, Ehtan Twomey stupid wides.

For the last 3 winning points, where was the midfield? Cleaned out

Clare out coached us simple as that and the Cork famine lives on

I know it's a bad day, Tipp-Ex, for me as much as for yourself, but can you not take a joke?

Clare won and that is all that matters. If they want to congratulate themselves they have every right. I can't say fairer than that. I am only concerned with Cork and they came withing a whisker of the feckers, while not playing all that well.

I can take a joke 360 days of the year but not yesterday or today or tomorrow or Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday

Hard luck to the players and management, they gave the whole county a lift

Fuckit that was gutting. Better team won on the day. Too many guys under par and not shrewd enough on the line. Wouldn't say Murphy tried to ride us but got a lot of the swing decisions wrong. We'll always be sitting ducks in a pull & drag fest like that. A fussy ref and we'd have won it handy. That was a tough week trying to organise tickets and I didn't really enjoy the build up until everyone that we usually travel with was sorted. I hope all these bandwagoners that came out of the woodwork last week will be at the league games in February.

Cork people giving out to morning radio shows giving out about the ref. Absolutely pathetic

We got caught up in our own hype. It was a poor performance. Beating Limerick became the be all and end all. Limerick living rent free in our heads

Tipp Ex wrote:Cork people giving out to morning radio shows giving out about the ref. Absolutely pathetic

We got caught up in our own hype. It was a poor performance. Beating Limerick became the be all and end all. Limerick living rent free in our heads

They probably wouldn't know one end of a hurley from the other. Thank God I missed that.
OTB AM analysis was very good this morning and Sarah O Donovan showed pure class in not ignoring but not blaming the ref when she was being baited into doing so. I think the Cork camp have handled this aspect excellently since yesterday and other counties should take heed. I'm not sure if the shoe was on the other foot would Clare act with such dignity.

Davy Fitzgerald definitely wouldn't.

Yes we didn't play well or as well as we could and yes the ref should of given a free at the end for us to draw the game. Both can exist and I for one and fairly pissed off with the ref and we should be allowed to be

It will be very hard for us to get out of Munster next year. We have to play Clare and Limerick away from home and will have to win at least one of those games. Kiely has taken a year out from teaching so that signals his intent to go all out to win back Liam McCarthy next year.

Got caught up the emotion yesterday to give a proper analysis. Couldnt bring myself to watch any analysis last night, maybe later on or tomorrow depending

Where do people think we went wrong?
I flagged Tony Kelly early on. When he goes well, Clare go well. Who was on him? He got man of the match did he?

Conceded 3 goals again. When we don't concede any goal, we outshoot any team. Simple as that

Misfiring forwards. Too many passengers. Only for Harnedy and Harry's, nobody stepped up really did they. And when Hayes won ball, he'd no support.

Stupid wides in front of goals. Hoggie free on first half with puckout ending up in the Cork net, a hammer blow. Potential 7 points up to 3 in a flash and a complete momentum swing

Jack O Connor. Robbie Flynn at the end. Wide.

Clare targetted Dara Fitz and it worked, very few drives forward with the ball

leesider wrote:It will be very hard for us to get out of Munster next year. We have to play Clare and Limerick away from home and will have to win at least one of those games. Kiely has taken a year out from teaching so that signals his intent to go all out to win back Liam McCarthy next year.

It’ll be very hard for either of those two counties to beat us, we lost a game in extra time by a point, we beat limerick twice, last year in championship AWAY both of those teams beat us by a point, it’s very hard to beat this cork team and for that we should be thankful as it wasn’t always the way.
Fellas going on about forwards and yes some didn’t go well, it’s our defence which is ironic as we will have the all star 3 and 6, we don’t have the bite/cynicism with some of the other teams have to stop goals, as I said the 2 second half clare goals were simply awful and would not have been conceded at the other end, and yet cork came back each time.
I don’t know if we’ll win an all Ireland next year tbh I don’t think we will but any team that beats us will earn it. I really hope the likes of Mullins, Cunningham, roche x 2 , O’Brien and o’callaghan get real game time in the league

How come Cork are involved in all the so called "classic games" ?
I'll tell you why - We just want to hurl, but hurling doesn't win you All Irelands and the sooner our management realise this, the better.
My reasoning for Cork winning was that Clare had too many "ifs (and in particular) Tony Kelly - Those "ifs" (unfortunately) came through against us yesterday
Yes Clare were the better team, but how many times over the last number of years were we the better team and f.ing lost!! I feared for us when I heard the name Johnny Murphy being mentioned as the All Ireland ref and he's just after costing us a replay now.
Look, this Cork Team have given us great moments to savour this past year, but Management have to start being ruthless going forward - IMO Connolly should have never have been taken off - Yes, he was having a mare of a game (partially because of the ball coming into him), but all this guy needs is one sniff and bang .
Unfortunately, sentimentality won't win you All Irelands' and its looks like Management wont make the hard decisions they should have been made. Free taking is not enough in modern day Hurling. We're nearly there - Important to get to a Munster Final next year to avoid Limerick in a semi final - It can be done
Corcaigh Abú

There’s a lot of talking points after this final but the one that’s being mentioned most is Johnny murphy ,
We all accepted what happened in 2013 no problem , but yesterday has left a sour taste for sure ..
A limerick man with obvious grudges against cork was left ref the final and two umpires from limerick also , How any one of the 3 didn’t see the Harnedy wide thst should be a 65 , and the two Flynn incidents will remain a forever a scar with cork people ,
Hes a man that’s going to hear a few home truths if he’ll ever be seen in the rebel county
The gaa have to realise that these finals should never be going to extra time , what ever about the player fatigue the referee certainly can’t keep up the extra 20 mins

Each of the 3 Clare goals could easily have been stopped.
They all ran into traffic. O Donnell, Rogers and Kelly should have been dragged down by the 30 yard line. But we're too nice and noe we've nothing

What a shit feeling this morning. An all too familiar shit feeling. That one was hard to take.

No point going into too deep analysis now as the emotions are still far too raw. General observations is that Clare were just that bit ahead of us in knowing how to get over the line in a tight game. I know Leen's tug on Robbie is everywhere today but even that aside, after the first 20 mins we were always chasing the game.

I would have bitten everyone's hand off for a replay at the end of normal time. I didn't have a good feeling going into extra time. And yet we could still have scraped a draw and if we had I'd feel pretty confident about the replay.

Commonly being said that a lot of our players didn't show up...look, with a few exceptions most of our players underperformed or played well in short bursts. That won't win you an All-Ireland. When we went 7 pts up we had the chance to put our foot on their throat and kill the game off....we didn't, we allowed Clare a foothold in the game and they pretty much bossed things from there.

Thought we should have varied the puckouts which clearly wasn't working much earlier, and thought maybe we could have started using the bench earlier. That we were slow in actioning both of these seemed like management was happy to stick with the original plan and hope it comes right. Yesterday it didn't and we paid a huge price.

Hard to get the head thinking of next year right now, that can wait. You'd be hoping this team with a few new faces can kick on again but you never know. You have to win the All Ireland finals when your there cos you never know when we even get back there again.

Back to the bottom of the hill. Depressing.

Sinbin, the problem with the puckouts was that Collins just had nowhere to go; Clare were man-marking all over the pitch. Trying to work it out short would have been too risky considering what happened earlier this year, and for the long ones Clare just flooded the area with bodies. We'll just have to learn to be more physical and doggish. Of the dog types, one came on as a sub (Tommy O'Connell) and the other (Brian Roche) was on the extended panel.

We also had the wrong tactics for their puck outs also. We let them March out uncontested.

The more I think and feel the more I am angry with Johnny Limerick. I'm going to jump off here because I'm offering nothing but just venting

T. Leaf wrote:Sinbin, the problem with the puckouts was that Collins just had nowhere to go; Clare were man-marking all over the pitch. Trying to work it out short would have been too risky considering what happened earlier this year, and for the long ones Clare just flooded the area with bodies. We'll just have to learn to be more physical and doggish. Of the dog types, one came on as a sub (Tommy O'Connell) and the other (Brian Roche) was on the extended panel.

Tommy O Connell was brilliant yesterday. His first touch at pace was excellent
And yes, Clare man mark, Limerick do zonal

So Hoggie had a hamstring injury and knew after 5 minutes he wouldn't be able to sprint.... FFS... Realistically he shouldn't of played. Or at least should of come on as a sub

Unfortunately however, Christy o Connors stats here was the main issue

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41441077.html

bittergaaman wrote:So Hoggie had a hamstring injury and knew after 5 minutes he wouldn't be able to sprint.... FFS... Realistically he shouldn't of played. Or at least should of come on as a sub

Where you hear this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41441578.html

Hoggie should not have been on the pitch - 2 things about this

1 Management hadn't much faith in the subs bench or
2 Management were afraid to take the Legend off

My own feeling is that's its 2

Free taking shouldn't be the only reason you should be on the pitch

In my previous post, being nice doesn't win you games - You have to be ruthless.
Re Tony Kelly, we gave him the freedom of Ennis last year and we did the same in Croke Park on Sunday - FFS - We had a ready man marker in Niall O Leary - Kelly doesn't like being man marked (just look at KK games for example) - I recall down in Limerick a number of years ago the frustration of Kelly with Niall up his hole all the day - He didn't like it one little bit!!!

Robbie Flynn has to be minded now going forward - His misses were really down to rustiness and he should be in FF line with Connolly and Hayes for the 2025 campaign - I repeat myself here, but Connolly should have been left on (and now when you read that Horgan couldn't run after 5 mins), it's very disappointing out of management to allow this this to happen - No wonder we f.ing lost!!!

However, its very hard to peak twice in the space of two weeks and I also believe that this was another reason why we're so flat last Sunday - But the ref f.ing did us too

Tipp Ex wrote:

bittergaaman wrote:So Hoggie had a hamstring injury and knew after 5 minutes he wouldn't be able to sprint.... FFS... Realistically he shouldn't of played. Or at least should of come on as a sub

Where you hear this?

Hoggie said it himself; https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41441578.html

The more time that passes the more frustrating and angry I'm getting. We left this behind in many ways and we were also shafted. Our puck outs were a disaster and there didn't seem to be a plan B. Clare went man for man on our puck outs and it worked. We allowed them as many short puck outs as they wanted and that worked against us. MGMT didn't react at all.

Having a FF who can't run! FFS, MGMT needed to make the call here. I think back to when Peter Canavan was playing his AI with Injury and their MGMT Played that tactic perfectly that day.

Jack O Connor was hopping in Training and i do understand the thinking behind bringing him on. Clares legs fading and a speed merchant running at them might have been just the ticket. However I wouldn't have taken Connolly off, especially knowing Hoggie was unable to run from throw in.

Then there is this ludicrous culture in the Hurling world and Hurling referees that one must above all else "let it flow". Clare back were hanging off Cork forwards like Christmas tree decorations and the Ref refused to call the fouls.
I'll repeat myself again, If that match was any other game other than the final Johnny Limerick would be blowing more consistently, like he's known to do. But no, he suddenly changes his style of refereeing for the final. Plus he missed every single big call wrong, all of which were against us.

So based on all the above, it's incredible we were so close to winning it and shows there is some talent in this team.

Also, Lohan had a nice long conversation with the two umpires before the beginning of half time. Wonder did they get intimated into not calling the blatant penalty as a result. Visions of Lohan in their heads as the ref went in to consult.

Too many if buts and maybes.

This is the second time Cork have been screwed over by match officials this year. Remember that ball against Tipp in the Munster U-20 hurling final this year that was clearly over the line?