Cork Senior Hurling 2024

leesider wrote:This is the second time Cork have been screwed over by match officials this year. Remember that ball against Tipp in the Munster U-20 hurling final this year that was clearly over the line?

Thanks for reminding me
Ya weve been at the end of some shit over the years. They talk about the law of averages.
What law of Averages is that now ?

leesider wrote:This is the second time Cork have been screwed over by match officials this year. Remember that ball against Tipp in the Munster U-20 hurling final this year that was clearly over the line?

At least the fourth in championship.
Footballers were screwed by the ref in Louth.
We were also screwed by the ref in the semi-final hurling v limerick. But fortunately that day we were good enough to win in spite of ref. In fact, of all the games we were screwed by the ref i think that game was possibly the worst case of it, but its the one game we one anyway. We were a 7 or 8 point better team that day so got over the line despite the awful refereeing against us.

Well renowned Cork-haters Michael Duignan and John Mullane have stated that they feel we were treated unfairly.
That says it all.

caughtforpace wrote:Fuckit that was gutting. Better team won on the day. Too many guys under par and not shrewd enough on the line. Wouldn't say Murphy tried to ride us but got a lot of the swing decisions wrong. We'll always be sitting ducks in a pull & drag fest like that. A fussy ref and we'd have won it handy. That was a tough week trying to organise tickets and I didn't really enjoy the build up until everyone that we usually travel with was sorted. I hope all these bandwagoners that came out of the woodwork last week will be at the league games in February.

Very well put- I don’t think Murphy was biased, but a few calls against us ant crucial times and letting nearly everything go didn’t suit us.
I had given up on tickets but managed to get a couple of corporate tickets last minute. Delighted to get the tickets but it was surreal in there, I’d say at least 50% weren’t at a game all year or didn’t give a shite or know much about the game.
Probably wouldn’t be moaning as much if we won, but prefer to be in the cheap seats TBH.

Apart from the continual jersey tugging by the Clare defenders that went unpunished there was at least four game changing decisions that went Clare's way.
My question to those media experts reporting on the game is......how many and what were they, game changing decisions that went to the Cork team on Sunday.?
I can't bring myself to watch a recording of the game but from memory I can't remember even one.
Those who say that Murphy was blameless and fair saw a different game to the one I watched. The fact that Hoggie and Harnedy were denied makes the result even more sad and sickening, but the GAA is full of those stories.

My main issue isn't that Murphy was baised one way or the other, it's that he completely changed his style of refereeing because it's a final. He became a completely different referee because there's a culture or an expectation that come final day refs should not blow there whistles for things they ordinarily would have any other day.
It's the only sport I know of where the rule book changes because it's a final. It changes to favour the dirtier team.
Why???

bittergaaman wrote:My main issue isn't that Murphy was baised one way or the other, it's that he completely changed his style of refereeing because it's a final. He became a completely different referee because there's a culture or an expectation that come final day refs should not blow there whistles for things they ordinarily would have any other day.
It's the only sport I know of where the rule book changes because it's a final. It changes to favour the dirtier team.
Why???

I'd like to agree with you BGM and will do just that if you can point out one or two "incidents" or dirty fouls that Cork players
'got away with' because Murphy changed his style of whistling.

Basically Ranty, it was a festival of pulling and dragging by Clare which wasn't punished. Any other day he would of called out all those as fouls. Which he has done in the past. He's renowned for it. Why not on Sunday, because he has to let it flow... Fine, let it flow but let's let all the games flow so.

He literally changed his tactic of refereeing because it was a final

bittergaaman wrote:Basically Ranty, it was a festival of pulling and dragging by Clare which wasn't punished. Any other day he would of called out all those as fouls. Which he has done in the past. He's renowned for it. Why not on Sunday, because he has to let it flow... Fine, let it flow but let's let all the games flow so.

He literally changed his tactic of refereeing because it was a final

So that means that Pat Ryan and about 20 Cork senior hurlers in an All Ireland Final were so
naive and innocent that a similar number of players and manager from west of the Shannon
outwitted them on the field and on the line.?
Hard to swallow that line but I bow to your superior knowledge. I'm a big ball follower and
rarely post on this thread for that reason.

Lads that was heartbreaking!

I know I should but I haven't gone back and watched the match.

I had a bad feeling going into the game that it would be very hard to get back to the heights of the semi-final. Many of our players didn't have their best game. We can play better.

Clare stumbled into the final, which is a much better way to arrive there physcologically.

They also had a plan to deal with us and they 'played the ref' better than we did!

If we managed to steal a draw, which we should have with that last minute free I would have bet the house that we would have won a replay!!

Can't fault the players for heart, grit and determination but execution and tactical nous left them down. That's sport. They'll learn from this.

And one of the big learnings is that Cork cannot leave it up to the ref in games. We must beat teams despite the ref.

If, buts and maybes.

Roll on the club championship!!!

We are fucking winning the all Ireland next year. Ta fuck

No shilly shalling by Matt. He called it as it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYNLrGbtIYg

Must listen to that in full. It's refreshing to finally hear in the media someone actually calling it out rather than hiding behind "it's an impossible job" or " he let it flow" bollocks...

Then if you do bring it up you are branded as a sour grape... of course any supporter would be sour after that

I see Johnny murphy works in Dooley car sales Ennis road incase anyone wants to ring up about a “ new car “

Deutz wrote:I see Johnny murphy works in Dooley car sales Ennis road incase anyone wants to ring up about a “ new car “

He works in Ennis????

thesciencegeek wrote:

Deutz wrote:I see Johnny murphy works in Dooley car sales Ennis road incase anyone wants to ring up about a “ new car “

He works in Ennis????

Yes it's true;
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/330241/limerick-hurling-manager-kielys-ford-connection-runs-deep-with-dooleys.html

I just can never see myself watching this AI ever - I've such a sour taste over how we're done by a incompetent ref - He's not to blame btw, its the suits in charge who gave him this game in the first place.
The "let the game flow" brigade will have a lot to answer for when someone will get seriously hurt or maimed and I'm telling you it will happen sooner rather than later - If Conlan did what he did to Barrett (outside of Croke Park), he would be up for assault!!!
Now, we're at cross roads to win AI - Do we join the "let the game flow brigade" and crease anyone from the opposition and in particular anyone inside the 21, or do we continue to play the "beautiful game" as it's suppose to be played and "hopefully, eventually" get to the promised land.
I'm actually distraught thinking about it!!!-

leesider wrote:

thesciencegeek wrote:

Deutz wrote:I see Johnny murphy works in Dooley car sales Ennis road incase anyone wants to ring up about a “ new car “

He works in Ennis????

Yes it's true;
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/330241/limerick-hurling-manager-kielys-ford-connection-runs-deep-with-dooleys.html

Get a grip

Johnny Murphy was so biased against us, he didn't give Clare a single free in the second half.

JBM1 wrote:I just can never see myself watching this AI ever - I've such a sour taste over how we're done by a incompetent ref - He's not to blame btw, its the suits in charge who gave him this game in the first place.
The "let the game flow" brigade will have a lot to answer for when someone will get seriously hurt or maimed and I'm telling you it will happen sooner rather than later - If Conlan did what he did to Barrett (outside of Croke Park), he would be up for assault!!!
Now, we're at cross roads to win AI - Do we join the "let the game flow brigade" and crease anyone from the opposition and in particular anyone inside the 21, or do we continue to play the "beautiful game" as it's suppose to be played and "hopefully, eventually" get to the promised land.
I'm actually distraught thinking about it!!!-

You can be tough - and even rough - without being dirty. What Conlon did to Barrett was dirty. And we can assume it was with intent. Barrett had been a big influence on Cork's games with Limerick. Conlan's job - apparently - was to mitigate that influence.

YellowBib wrote:Johnny Murphy was so biased against us, he didn't give Clare a single free in the second half.

Well, the way Cork let Clare waltz through for their two goals, you could also say that Cork didn't commit the sort of cynical fouls Clare were committing. There are always two ways of looking at everything.

Johnny Murphy was penalising the jersey pull all through the match, but in the most vital moment for Cork he let it pass.

I thought Clare flooded their back line for Cork puckouts, so unless there was a clean catch, they were going to hover up the ball. Cork should have expected that and ran more at them from midfield.

The Cork defending was poor; memories of those red/black cards against Waterford and Clare played a part in that. Management should have sorted it with them at half-time.

For all that, Cork held on doggedly and there was only a puck of a ball in it at the end. That's what makes Johnny Murphy's failure so frustrating.

T. Leaf wrote:

JBM1 wrote:I just can never see myself watching this AI ever - I've such a sour taste over how we're done by a incompetent ref - He's not to blame btw, its the suits in charge who gave him this game in the first place.
The "let the game flow" brigade will have a lot to answer for when someone will get seriously hurt or maimed and I'm telling you it will happen sooner rather than later - If Conlan did what he did to Barrett (outside of Croke Park), he would be up for assault!!!
Now, we're at cross roads to win AI - Do we join the "let the game flow brigade" and crease anyone from the opposition and in particular anyone inside the 21, or do we continue to play the "beautiful game" as it's suppose to be played and "hopefully, eventually" get to the promised land.
I'm actually distraught thinking about it!!!-

You can be tough - and even rough - without being dirty. What Conlon did to Barrett was dirty. And we can assume it was with intent. Barrett had been a big influence on Cork's games with Limerick. Conlan's job - apparently - was to mitigate that influence.

I'm still aghast that the ref did nothing for that. It's just beyond comprehension. Guaranteed this usually whistle friendly ref would of being blowing like a canary had it been any other game other than the final

T. Leaf wrote:Johnny Murphy was penalising the jersey pull all through the match, but in the most vital moment for Cork he let it pass.

I thought Clare flooded their back line for Cork puckouts, so unless there was a clean catch, they were going to hover up the ball. Cork should have expected that and ran more at them from midfield.

The Cork defending was poor; memories of those red/black cards against Waterford and Clare played a part in that. Management should have sorted it with them at half-time.

For all that, Cork held on doggedly and there was only a puck of a ball in it at the end. That's what makes Johnny Murphy's failure so frustrating.

From the stands it was so evident that Clare were flooding the puck out area and playing the ref better. I wonder would Pat Ryan be prudent having an expert eye in the stand relaying information like that down.