Cork Senior Hurling 2024

Nerves are shot. My lord what a game. Finally come out on top of a dogfight!

The good thing is there is lots to work on.
Limerick won't be that poor again especially in the first half but you'd hope they'd learn about sending short pucouts to Sean O Donoghue as well. He's really not comfortable with them. Otherwise he had a cracker of a game.
Shouldn't be forgotten it was Collins who picked out Kingston at the end.
My point being is this is not our ceiling either, we can get better. Hopefully we'll have no injuries going into the next must win match against Tipp.

Tonight was the night it came right. Well done Cork, the door has been opened for a few counties to win the All Ireland. Cannot beat fire, passion and brimstone, forget the tippy tappy hurling and anything can happen. Well done Cork.

Sean wrote:

fullcourtpress wrote:Is this the most pessimistic Cork have been coming into a championship game since the 2010 semi final against Kilkenny? The team doesn't inspire confidence but there's isn't 15 hurlers in Cork currently capable of beating Limerick but the main criticism of this management is that the year will have passed with little development of the younger players who supposedly could get to the level of doing so. Why play Niall O'Leary and Tim O'Mahony at 6 in the league when neither are trusted to play there in championship when the need arises? Why play Lehane at 11 every game but rid of him after one championship game? Why give Conor O'Callaghan one chance at midfield where he's totally out of position and then leave him to be never heard of again? There's probably other examples I haven't thought of, but those alone are emblematic of a management team just making it up as they go along. Ryan in interviews doesn't strike me as a guy who'd inspire players into battle and raise their game a level. After tonight it will likely be one win in seven Munster championship games, which isn't solely management's fault but is still not good enough and doesn't warrant another year.

Management must shoulder a HUGE element of fault for where we are which is an early exit. The league as outlined above was totally and utterly waisted, totally misused and the obvious position was no 11 which was one player throughout the league and he lasted 40 minutes which was predictable.
To say that we are playing limerick with Coleman and o’mahoney in the half back line is frightening tbh neither of them are strong in the air or good enough defenders at this level.
The midfield again isn’t powerful enough for what they are facing and should have started with o’mahoney and harnedy to actually put it up to o’donoghue for once, again selection mistakes.
Forwards might score a bit but we’ll concede a huge score again.
I’d also worry about subs; how Meade came on vs Clare over O’Connell or millerick is bizarre and he was well exposed….hopefully it will be competitive and they don’t embarrass themselves but tonight is the end for 2024 and I would think a significant amount of players not just the older cohort

Good man Sean you clown. You know fuck all

YellowBib wrote:

Sean wrote:

fullcourtpress wrote:Is this the most pessimistic Cork have been coming into a championship game since the 2010 semi final against Kilkenny? The team doesn't inspire confidence but there's isn't 15 hurlers in Cork currently capable of beating Limerick but the main criticism of this management is that the year will have passed with little development of the younger players who supposedly could get to the level of doing so. Why play Niall O'Leary and Tim O'Mahony at 6 in the league when neither are trusted to play there in championship when the need arises? Why play Lehane at 11 every game but rid of him after one championship game? Why give Conor O'Callaghan one chance at midfield where he's totally out of position and then leave him to be never heard of again? There's probably other examples I haven't thought of, but those alone are emblematic of a management team just making it up as they go along. Ryan in interviews doesn't strike me as a guy who'd inspire players into battle and raise their game a level. After tonight it will likely be one win in seven Munster championship games, which isn't solely management's fault but is still not good enough and doesn't warrant another year.

Management must shoulder a HUGE element of fault for where we are which is an early exit. The league as outlined above was totally and utterly waisted, totally misused and the obvious position was no 11 which was one player throughout the league and he lasted 40 minutes which was predictable.
To say that we are playing limerick with Coleman and o’mahoney in the half back line is frightening tbh neither of them are strong in the air or good enough defenders at this level.
The midfield again isn’t powerful enough for what they are facing and should have started with o’mahoney and harnedy to actually put it up to o’donoghue for once, again selection mistakes.
Forwards might score a bit but we’ll concede a huge score again.
I’d also worry about subs; how Meade came on vs Clare over O’Connell or millerick is bizarre and he was well exposed….hopefully it will be competitive and they don’t embarrass themselves but tonight is the end for 2024 and I would think a significant amount of players not just the older cohort

Good man Sean you clown. You know fuck all

Perhaps but this is an opinion forum and I gave mine much of which was right and lots was proven wrong, you seem angry for some reason enjoy the win

Tipp Ex wrote:Talk that Ciarán Joyce is injured for Saturday. Great

We were better without Joyce, Downey is far more likely to sit back as he hasn't much pace and we looked more solid despite the huge scoreline given up. We created far more goal chances than them. Joyce worth a look at midfield now.

Eoin Downey being subbed almost lost us the game, DC was way off it.

Sean wrote:

YellowBib wrote:

Sean wrote:

fullcourtpress wrote:Is this the most pessimistic Cork have been coming into a championship game since the 2010 semi final against Kilkenny? The team doesn't inspire confidence but there's isn't 15 hurlers in Cork currently capable of beating Limerick but the main criticism of this management is that the year will have passed with little development of the younger players who supposedly could get to the level of doing so. Why play Niall O'Leary and Tim O'Mahony at 6 in the league when neither are trusted to play there in championship when the need arises? Why play Lehane at 11 every game but rid of him after one championship game? Why give Conor O'Callaghan one chance at midfield where he's totally out of position and then leave him to be never heard of again? There's probably other examples I haven't thought of, but those alone are emblematic of a management team just making it up as they go along. Ryan in interviews doesn't strike me as a guy who'd inspire players into battle and raise their game a level. After tonight it will likely be one win in seven Munster championship games, which isn't solely management's fault but is still not good enough and doesn't warrant another year.

Management must shoulder a HUGE element of fault for where we are which is an early exit. The league as outlined above was totally and utterly waisted, totally misused and the obvious position was no 11 which was one player throughout the league and he lasted 40 minutes which was predictable.
To say that we are playing limerick with Coleman and o’mahoney in the half back line is frightening tbh neither of them are strong in the air or good enough defenders at this level.
The midfield again isn’t powerful enough for what they are facing and should have started with o’mahoney and harnedy to actually put it up to o’donoghue for once, again selection mistakes.
Forwards might score a bit but we’ll concede a huge score again.
I’d also worry about subs; how Meade came on vs Clare over O’Connell or millerick is bizarre and he was well exposed….hopefully it will be competitive and they don’t embarrass themselves but tonight is the end for 2024 and I would think a significant amount of players not just the older cohort

Good man Sean you clown. You know fuck all

Perhaps but this is an opinion forum and I gave mine much of which was right and lots was proven wrong, you seem angry for some reason enjoy the win

Regardless of the win yesterday I agree with much of what Sean wrote. Yes I'm delighted we beat Limerick but one win should not paper over the obvious missed opportunities and silly decisions.

I hope yesterday was a line in the sand for all of that and I hope Pat Ryan and his MGMT grow from it.

Also on a side point, this is not PROC, people should be allowed express their thoughts without being called names. By doing so you actually told us more about your own character

We were lucky in the end but we earned a break. The good thing is there is Plenty room for improvement.

I thought Hegarty fouled oDonoghue for the second goal, but we shouldn’t take the risk and leave it to the discretion of a ref. 6 points up. Going long was working, hopefully lessons will be taken on board. Going short should be exception when 100% safe, play the game in their half as often as possible. Our forwards thrive on fast ball. Great performance overall to be fair.

Connolly and Hayes - the new Twin Towers.

YellowBib wrote:

Sean wrote:

fullcourtpress wrote:Is this the most pessimistic Cork have been coming into a championship game since the 2010 semi final against Kilkenny? The team doesn't inspire confidence but there's isn't 15 hurlers in Cork currently capable of beating Limerick but the main criticism of this management is that the year will have passed with little development of the younger players who supposedly could get to the level of doing so. Why play Niall O'Leary and Tim O'Mahony at 6 in the league when neither are trusted to play there in championship when the need arises? Why play Lehane at 11 every game but rid of him after one championship game? Why give Conor O'Callaghan one chance at midfield where he's totally out of position and then leave him to be never heard of again? There's probably other examples I haven't thought of, but those alone are emblematic of a management team just making it up as they go along. Ryan in interviews doesn't strike me as a guy who'd inspire players into battle and raise their game a level. After tonight it will likely be one win in seven Munster championship games, which isn't solely management's fault but is still not good enough and doesn't warrant another year.

Management must shoulder a HUGE element of fault for where we are which is an early exit. The league as outlined above was totally and utterly waisted, totally misused and the obvious position was no 11 which was one player throughout the league and he lasted 40 minutes which was predictable.
To say that we are playing limerick with Coleman and o’mahoney in the half back line is frightening tbh neither of them are strong in the air or good enough defenders at this level.
The midfield again isn’t powerful enough for what they are facing and should have started with o’mahoney and harnedy to actually put it up to o’donoghue for once, again selection mistakes.
Forwards might score a bit but we’ll concede a huge score again.
I’d also worry about subs; how Meade came on vs Clare over O’Connell or millerick is bizarre and he was well exposed….hopefully it will be competitive and they don’t embarrass themselves but tonight is the end for 2024 and I would think a significant amount of players not just the older cohort

Good man Sean you clown. You know fuck all

No need at all for the name calling. Everyone has their opinion and opinions are all they are. I was very pessimistic, myself and I didn't think management were going the right way about it. We all see it from out own point of view, but we all want Cork to win. I haven't seen any enemy of Cork hurling posting on here, so just be happy that we won.

Turenne wrote:

Tipp Ex wrote:Talk that Ciarán Joyce is injured for Saturday. Great

We were better without Joyce, Downey is far more likely to sit back as he hasn't much pace and we looked more solid despite the huge scoreline given up. We created far more goal chances than them. Joyce worth a look at midfield now.

Eoin Downey being subbed almost lost us the game, DC was way off it.

Jesus Christ, Turenne, you're everywhere. Welcome.

Turenne wrote:

Tipp Ex wrote:Talk that Ciarán Joyce is injured for Saturday. Great

We were better without Joyce, Downey is far more likely to sit back as he hasn't much pace and we looked more solid despite the huge scoreline given up. We created far more goal chances than them. Joyce worth a look at midfield now.

Eoin Downey being subbed almost lost us the game, DC was way off it.

Commentators reckon it was because of the yellow card. Pat Ryan didn't want a recreation of the last two matches. It worked out in the end.

T. Leaf wrote:

Turenne wrote:

Tipp Ex wrote:Talk that Ciarán Joyce is injured for Saturday. Great

We were better without Joyce, Downey is far more likely to sit back as he hasn't much pace and we looked more solid despite the huge scoreline given up. We created far more goal chances than them. Joyce worth a look at midfield now.

Eoin Downey being subbed almost lost us the game, DC was way off it.

Commentators reckon it was because of the yellow card. Pat Ryan didn't want a recreation of the last two matches. It worked out in the end.

Ah yeah it was because of the yellow and because of what happened to SOD last week. But it hurt us badly, DC was yards off Flanagan repeatedly and caught in no man's land for the second Limerick goal.

Well, I got that all wrong anyway!!!!!! - Thank God - Incredible scenes at the end - Very privileged to be there with my lads (who've never seen or witnessed anything like that last evening)
However, (and here is the pessimist coming through in me), it's no good if we don't deliver in Thurles on Sunday, but what better place to do it in.
That first half performance was as a good as any I've from a Cork Team for a long long time. Again though, we gave two dreadful goals away from this tippy tappy stuff - It nearly cost us the game.
Hurling is a simple game - No need to complicate it

Rebels Abu

I got it wrong as well but theres a warm glow inside today i havent felt in a while

I want to comment on 3 plays in the match last night

1. The second Limerick goal., This short puck put almost knocked us out of championship more than any other play this season. What an absolute calamity. As he was looking up, i roared DONT DO IT, i could sense something calamitous was about to transpire. Anyway, why did they (Collin and Seán Donoghue) do it? All long puck outs were delivering, we had Limerick in all sorts of bother all night under them, for once. So why? Thats what i cant get my head around. Do they go short every 4th puckout, is there a signal from somewhere, was Pat Ryan or someone else shouting at them to do it? Like, SOD marked the Player of the Year outta it all night from play, he was outstanding and then he goes and tries to run through the man mountain Gearóid Hegarty in front of our own goal? I just dont get it.

2. Collins to Kingston for the penalty. Great puckout. So he can get them right. And then Kingstons run. Like, we were facing down the barrel, we needed something from somewhere and he produces. Nobody runs from halfway against Limerick, nobody. And the penalty award itself. Were we lucky? Was it a clear goal scoring opportunity? Looked like a few Lk players were back

3. Hoggies free way out and we a point up. PR being lauded for telling Horgan to keep it in play. And rightly so, i had visions of a boomer wide, quick Quaid puckout and a Limerick free to level it and knock us out. But Brian Hayes has to get credit here as well. He read what PR had told him, didnt just wait for a big high ball into the edge of the square - he made the run to gain possession which was the ultimate priority for that play. Brilliant from Hayes. The point was just the icing on the cake.

Lets back it up next week

JBM1 wrote:Well, I got that all wrong anyway!!!!!! - Thank God - Incredible scenes at the end - Very privileged to be there with my lads (who've never seen or witnessed anything like that last evening)
However, (and here is the pessimist coming through in me), it's no good if we don't deliver in Thurles on Sunday, but what better place to do it in.
That first half performance was as a good as any I've from a Cork Team for a long long time. Again though, we gave two dreadful goals away from this tippy tappy stuff - It nearly cost us the game.
Hurling is a simple game - No need to complicate it

Rebels Abu

There needs to be a short outlet if we are struggling to win puck-outs further out the pitch. Hitting the ball long for each puck-out doesn't work either for 70 plus minutes.

A great result for Cork...well done!

Tipp followers will be hoping,and praying,that Cork will be too knackered after this epic contest to produce another similar performance in Thurles!

Turenne wrote:

JBM1 wrote:Well, I got that all wrong anyway!!!!!! - Thank God - Incredible scenes at the end - Very privileged to be there with my lads (who've never seen or witnessed anything like that last evening)
However, (and here is the pessimist coming through in me), it's no good if we don't deliver in Thurles on Sunday, but what better place to do it in.
That first half performance was as a good as any I've from a Cork Team for a long long time. Again though, we gave two dreadful goals away from this tippy tappy stuff - It nearly cost us the game.
Hurling is a simple game - No need to complicate it

Rebels Abu

There needs to be a short outlet if we are struggling to win puck-outs further out  the pitch. Hitting the ball long for each puck-out doesn't work either for 70 plus minutes.

Agree but after so long implementing a short puck out strategy it's mind boggling the decisions our GK made yesterday when executing it... We still need the short puck out but even after all this time they really need to work on it

Jeremiah wrote:I thought Hegarty fouled oDonoghue  for the second goal, but we shouldn’t take the risk and leave it to the discretion of a ref. 6 points up. Going long was working, hopefully lessons will be taken on board. Going short should be exception when 100% safe, play the game in their half as often possible. Our forwards thrive on fast ball. Great performance overall to be fair.

Totally agree - a non-brainer for me. Why take such unnecessary risks when the alternative is not alone safer, but usually more productive as well? I really dislike those vertical short balls from Collins, and Sean O'Donoghue doesn't seem to fancy them much either. Some of our best moments yesterday came from long puckouts...so why fuck about with unnecessary risks.

We got away with it yesterday in that we won the game...if we had lost this issue would have been forefront in everyone's opinions, coughing up a totally unnecessary 6 pts.

Mattie Hislop wrote:Nerves are shot. My lord what a game. Finally come out on top of a dogfight!

This was the most important & heartening thing...just win the game by whatever it takes.

Some great aspects to our overall performance...the aggression, the workrate, the spirit, the competing for and winning hard ball, for refusing to die when Limerick kicked for home, for being resilient and staying in the game, and some great finishing scores. Every player contributed and we got a bounce from the subs.

Some not so good aspects also again...fucking around with short puckouts when totally unnecessary, conceding 3-26 won't win you too many games.

But the main thing was just to get the win, we've lost far too many of those kind of games so just getting the job done was huge. Could be seismic...only if we beat Tipp. But shows we can do it and the players needed that belief as much as the supporters.

Think most of us got it wrong but in fairness we have been down the same road so many times it was very hard to see that performance coming. Also showing how the team has changed in personell from the first to the third game highlighted a lot of iute fears that the leauge was wasted and a team wasn't settled. Surely that's is almost our best 15 now. Joyce to come at 6 or 7 maybe for Coleman who struggled with Hegarty in the second half. But most will struggle with Hegarty. The wind had an effect on Collins puck outs in the second half and they weren't going as far. This is when they have to be way more careful with the short puck outs. The receiver would need to be a few yards clear of his man before they are attempted. It's just too dodgey and nit good fir the heart. I nearly choked on my wine gums when SOD fumbled the ball. I thought that was it. Another year gone. Fair play to them for digging it back out. Can't wait for next Sunday.

With regards to puc outs.
https://twitter.com/gaelicstatsman/status/1789383456767484140?t=Fs2yznGEq3AxxSSkebweGg&s=19

Still buzzing 24 hours on from that. What an incredible spectacle, my main gripe with hurling currently is how easy it is to score and last night was no different in that regard but it can produce these games that feel that feel like the most pure form of athetic organised chaos. I had little hope heading in but there were players there that reached heights I never thought them capable of, or I thought that they would never reach again. Finally seven years on the new Pairc has seen a heaving, jubilant home crowd at the end of a game. Do not let it be another wait of that length again.

If there was ever a game to inspire a once frail team into winners, last night was it: this could be to Cork what the 2018 all Ireland semi final comeback was to Limerick. The Off The Ball interviews with Sean O'Donoghue and Pa Horgan last night were excellent, it's a shame that GAA players are so hidden away from the media when they're in such unique positions amongst any sportsmen anywhere of being so well known but ultimately being normal citizens who are only doing this as a passion: https://youtu.be/ywT2EfpPfJw?feature=shared

Why wasn't the game on The Sunday Game tonight?